# History and Philosophy **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Tags:** history\ **Created:** [November 25, 2024, 12:36am UTC](https://gofai.discourse.group/t/history-and-philosophy/12 "2024-11-25T00:36:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![scidata](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/gofai.discourse.group/scidata/32/3_2.png) [@scidata](https://gofai.discourse.group/u/scidata)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 12:36am UTC](https://gofai.discourse.group/t/history-and-philosophy/12/1 "2024-11-25T00:36:10Z")
The people and thinking that made this movement tick. What is the meaning of the ‘Elf’ logo for this group? It’s a weird story of serendipity… - 3 symbols: red triangle, green square, blue circle (to represent symbolic programming) - arranged in Venn style, colors are combinations of RGB - the elf magically appeared, entirely by happenstance - it was near Christmas 2024, so I just smiled and left it - also, my first computer was a COSMAC ELF 😀 ---
**Author:** ![scidata](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/gofai.discourse.group/scidata/32/3_2.png) [@scidata](https://gofai.discourse.group/u/scidata)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 12:42am UTC](https://gofai.discourse.group/t/history-and-philosophy/12/2 "2024-11-25T00:42:16Z")
[John Haugeland](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Haugeland) (1945-2010) was a philosophy professor. He coined the term ‘GOFAI’ in his 1985 book “Artificial Intelligence: the very idea”. ---
**Author:** ![scidata](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/gofai.discourse.group/scidata/32/3_2.png) [@scidata](https://gofai.discourse.group/u/scidata)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 6:39pm UTC](https://gofai.discourse.group/t/history-and-philosophy/12/3 "2024-11-30T18:39:55Z")
In 2023, [Douglas Hofstadter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Hofstadter) (sometimes referred to as the patron saint of GOFAI), did this [interview](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6e08RnJyxo). Near the end, he describes what it’s like when some of your core beliefs begin to collapse. However, you need to learn, embrace, and internalize those beliefs before the collapse can be appreciated or even noticed. ---
**Author:** ![scidata](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/gofai.discourse.group/scidata/32/3_2.png) [@scidata](https://gofai.discourse.group/u/scidata)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2024, 12:47am UTC](https://gofai.discourse.group/t/history-and-philosophy/12/4 "2024-12-09T00:47:57Z")
One of the main knocks against modern A.I. is its crazy power and water consumption. Vast GPU farms suck energy at a rate that compares with some entire small countries. GOFAI is attractive for this issue alone. [Example 1](https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/thirsty-chatgpt-uses-four-times-more-water-than-previously-thought-bc0pqswdr) ---
**Author:** ![scidata](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/gofai.discourse.group/scidata/32/3_2.png) [@scidata](https://gofai.discourse.group/u/scidata)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2024, 12:27am UTC](https://gofai.discourse.group/t/history-and-philosophy/12/5 "2024-12-31T00:27:44Z")
In 2011, I wrote an article on [Future Psychohistory](https://www.scidata.ca/future-psychohistory/). I based it on post-GOFAI technology (mainly Neural Networks). I later realized that a better fit was Agent Based Models. These in turn, were better suited to GOFAI languages such as PROLOG. I’ve since been working on a hybrid model, where the individual agents are written in PROLOG and the emergent ‘world’ they inhabit is realized in FORTH. This brings me full-circle back to 1980s GOFAI. Many are predicting the collapse of Generative LLM style A.I. which has been over-hyped and under-delivered. GOFAI may yet see a second spring. ---
**Author:** ![scidata](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/gofai.discourse.group/scidata/32/3_2.png) [@scidata](https://gofai.discourse.group/u/scidata)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2025, 12:18pm UTC](https://gofai.discourse.group/t/history-and-philosophy/12/6 "2025-03-15T12:18:14Z")
I find ‘insider’ narratives compelling. Two of the best I’ve ever read are: [The Soul of a New Machine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Soul_of_a_New_Machine) (1981) start to end story of the creation of a new minicomputer [Piloting Palm](https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/2746630-piloting-palm) (2002) the birth and rise of an early ‘intelligence amplifier’ ---
**Author:** ![ChiefDijononA](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/gofai.discourse.group/chiefdijonona/32/19_2.png) [@ChiefDijononA](https://gofai.discourse.group/u/ChiefDijononA)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2025, 2:29am UTC](https://gofai.discourse.group/t/history-and-philosophy/12/7 "2025-04-02T02:29:49Z")
Read the wiki on The Soul of a New Machine, didn’t get fair until I went to amazon to buy it. I’m excited to see what the Eagle project is all about! ---
**Author:** ![scidata](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/gofai.discourse.group/scidata/32/3_2.png) [@scidata](https://gofai.discourse.group/u/scidata)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2025, 7:08pm UTC](https://gofai.discourse.group/t/history-and-philosophy/12/8 "2025-04-30T19:08:46Z")
That book captures the wonder of that era. I didn’t work at Data General, but I am certainly familiar with those times. Tracy Kidder really did a nice job as an embedded reporter.